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The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 472	Posted - 2012.12.01 20:04:00 - [1] - Quote The infamous Red vs Blue permanent alliance wars have just changed. Red Federation has disbanded. http://evenews24.com/2012/12/01/rvb-red-federation-disbands/ http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/99000645 Does anyone know what happened? Burn Highsec Griefers
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 473	Posted - 2012.12.01 20:39:00 - [2] - Quote HVAC Repairman wrote: i am eagerly awaiting for red to return as RedZoku I'd prefer Redswarm Federation, but RedZoku is acceptable :P Burn Highsec Griefers
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 473	Posted - 2012.12.02 01:04:00 - [3] - Quote Muad 'dib wrote: winning is OP OP is winning Burn Highsec Griefers
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 473	Posted - 2012.12.02 10:49:00 - [4] - Quote "The bill was not paid. But there is enough ISK to cover the bill. Not sure what happened. Will petition. " Burn Highsec Griefers
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 477	Posted - 2012.12.03 00:26:00 - [5] - Quote Catalyst XI wrote: god damn it, what i am suppose to do with myself now that red fed is no longer in an alliance? oh wait, i know: http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/428/exefile2012120219040415.jpg In other news, RvB wins at eve once again by having the largest frig FFA (again) in eve history, while giving no fucks. 13k frigs destroyed in less then 48 hours. what did you do with your weekend? (besides OP, I know you've been too busy meta gaming to actually log on for more then the time it takes to form a corp) Ah it's true. We've been monitoring your prolonged epic slugfest. Makes me wish we had a fleet to come join the festivities because it looks like fun. Burn Highsec Griefers
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 478	Posted - 2012.12.03 03:50:00 - [6] - Quote NEONOVUS wrote: So wait if they had autopay on and had sufficient ISK in the account before downtime, then it sounds like a bug or glitch outside player control. Especially if those options are on then they can be said to have made a good faith effort in accordance. Still has it been said yet what went wrong? Wouldn't that always be your default cover story if you screwed things up anyways? With CCP logs no doubt showing nothing why would you claim to be anything but the innocent victim? But we all know what really happened here... Burn Highsec Griefers
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 491	Posted - 2012.12.03 21:45:00 - [7] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: I think a lot of people are forgetting that Dec Shield will no longer be able to trap people in mutual war decs' after tomorrow... unless they want to be of course. We're not entirely clear on whether or not we'll be able to keep everyone trapped. Nearly all the communication from CCP is ambiguous with their answers regarding this. If the patch is as described in the patch notes without any changes, then this is the method we'll use, and you'll all still be trapped. But earlier today a dev posted in the thread saying that we might be surprised that things got fixed. But I'm not sure if he's talking about their patchnotes that they "think" fixed things, or if they actually changed something not in the patchnotes. Such as splintered copies of wars inherit their parent war's starting time instead of the time the splinter was made. It's too soon to tell. It'll be fun either way Burn Highsec Griefers
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 491	Posted - 2012.12.03 21:47:00 - [8] - Quote Green Gambit wrote: You all realise that there's nothing to see here? Red Fed - the corp - that everybody actually belongs to - still exists... so the war still goes on... RvB worked fine for a couple of years with only the corporations, the only reason the alliances were created were so that RvB could play in the Alliance Tournament. In fact RvB's preference would be for a Purple alliance, but game mechanics are such that you can't be at war with another corp in your alliance. So, end result is likely to be a new holding corp so that Red can enter next year's Alliance Tournament - plenty of time to sort that out. There was an RvB - Purple Alliance and then you guys whined to GMs about them impersonating you and forced CCP to change their name. When infact all they were doing was maintaining wars against both Red and Blue side, to allow a 3rd party to enter the conflict with twice the targets. Burn Highsec Griefers
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 493	Posted - 2012.12.04 20:21:00 - [9] - Quote tiberiusric wrote: You do realise that if there was a problem CCP will just reset 'as was' Also they can just create RvB - Red Alliance or something ( i dont think they are too precious about kb stats history) - nice try though I find it highly unlikely CCP will reset things to how they were. There have been many instances of such things happening, towers illegitimately falling offline, being killed and taken by enemies. Alliances disbanding and being stolen, etc. The only types of changes that they roll back are illegitimate ship losses. I am curious to see what their ruling on this will be Burn Highsec Griefers
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 507	Posted - 2012.12.07 07:30:00 - [10] - Quote "#rvbeve Red alliance was "closed incorrectly" according to CCP. Will be getting fixed once they have the bandwidth. #tweetfleet #eveonline" I don't know who this guy is, but this got linked to me. Of course, it'd be a shame if you could never use the name because we found a new method to keep you permanently trapped in war Burn Highsec Griefers
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 509	Posted - 2012.12.07 07:50:00 - [11] - Quote dexington wrote: 2012-12-07 01:18 : Corporation RvB - RED Federation has left alliance Dec Shield Did they get the name back? No, I was using it as a wardec flipping corp for this scheme. But evidence indicates that scheme will no longer work. It'll be part of Dec Shield again shortly where it'll sit until the matter is resolved. Burn Highsec Griefers
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 512	Posted - 2012.12.07 09:30:00 - [12] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: Has ?vB made you an offer for the name back yet? Nope. They have no intention of meeting any ransom demands as a matter of pride. Btw, are any other NCDot corps planning to leave alliance? Are you guys planning to reform in a new alliance? Because I've got some bad news for you... Burn Highsec Griefers
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 513	Posted - 2012.12.07 12:33:00 - [13] - Quote NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOoooo Burn Highsec Griefers
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 513	Posted - 2012.12.07 12:41:00 - [14] - Quote Haha, GMs renamed my corporation to "RvB - RED FederationSTOLEN0" But somehow I still have the exact same ticker as "RvB - RED Federation". They put both corps "Red Federation Holding Corp" and "Red Federation" back into the alliance as well. But here's where things get even weirder. I'm at war with both member corps, but the alliance is in no wars at all, lol. I've never seen this type of rollback in the history of Eve. I'm impressed Burn Highsec Griefers
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 513	Posted - 2012.12.07 12:55:00 - [15] - Quote Haha I was going to give the name back. I just wanted to see where the GMs would come down on this issue. And they've set a very interesting precedent here. And their interference has completely scrambled the normal rules and outcomes of ingame mechanics as a result. I honestly don't know what the consequences will be. Burn Highsec Griefers
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 513	Posted - 2012.12.07 13:30:00 - [16] - Quote Professor Clio wrote: We had money in the alliance wallet and auto-pay was on. The disbanding was clearly a bug so CCP giving us the alliance back is only proper. It did have the unfortunate consequence of ending the war between Red and Blue, but we'll redec each other as soon as our alliance exec can come online and be back in business within 24 hours No such thing as an alliance wallet. The bills would have been to your holding corp "Red Federation Holding Corp", and the isk would have been in the corp's wallet. While I'm skeptical that you had all your settings configured correctly, I do believe that game bugs could have led to an alliance disband. Especially since it occurred during the downtime, lol You guys are still in all your old wars too. But it's on a corporate level, not the alliance level. That's part of the impossible chain of events that the GMs have put into motion. Your individual corporations in the restored alliance have outgoing wars, but the alliance has no wars. This is quite literally impossible, and the GMs just broke the sandbox. I hope I have enough popcorn to last long enough to see where this goes Burn Highsec Griefers
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 514	Posted - 2012.12.07 13:37:00 - [17] - Quote I wonder if GMs can be convinced to restore all the wars, lol I'm somehow betting not Burn Highsec Griefers
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 514	Posted - 2012.12.07 13:40:00 - [18] - Quote Professor Clio wrote: As for the state of Red's wars: Blue shows itself at war with Red (the corp) but not against the alliance and blues and reds cannot shoot each other (get a concord warning). Red the corp shows itself at war with no one under the wars tab. Bit weird but I'm sure they'll sort it. Haha that's awesome. Pretty much falls under the "unforeseeable consequences" warning about GMs setting up impossible events ingame. The alliance war state must override the corporation's war state. And you're sure that neither side can shoot each other without being concorded? Because I almost would think that the blue side could shoot the red side without being concorded, but maybe not the other way around Burn Highsec Griefers
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 514	Posted - 2012.12.07 13:44:00 - [19] - Quote Sweet'n Buttery Khorne wrote: The Zerg Overmind wrote: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOoooo So much for the 'super villian'. ...snicker... I can't stop acts of GM >< Burn Highsec Griefers
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 514	Posted - 2012.12.07 13:47:00 - [20] - Quote Professor Clio wrote: Yep, I'm sure. We tested it this morning. No one can shoot without flipping a can or otherwise becoming a suspect first. When the GMs interfere... boy do they interfere. At least I never actually disrupted activities ^^ Burn Highsec Griefers
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 516	Posted - 2012.12.07 16:51:00 - [21] - Quote So much hate. You forget that I really had only a tangential role in all these events. I was not responsible for the disband. I was also not responsible for them putting the alliance back together incorrectly. In fact, temporarily holding the name did very little but add 30 seconds to the process of restoring the alliance. And I had promised to return the name regardless of how events turned out. So if you want to hate me, it should be for the wars, not for current events. Burn Highsec Griefers
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 516	Posted - 2012.12.07 17:18:00 - [22] - Quote dexington wrote: That one way to look at it, another would be that it all happened because you did not just give them back the name, while you could... and that's why you carry the full claim. That wouldn't have affected the outcome at all. Since they're trapped in outgoing wars they wouldn't have been able to rejoin the alliance anyways. Thus they'd still have gone through petitions and GMs to reinstate the alliance w/ alliance logo + stats + history. If I wasn't holding the name and they were there would have been absolutely no difference. Besides, this way we get this wonderful thread Burn Highsec Griefers
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 516	Posted - 2012.12.07 17:24:00 - [23] - Quote Relax. It looks like you guys are going to escape the wars with us due to this bug. This is a massive win for you Burn Highsec Griefers
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 516	Posted - 2012.12.07 17:34:00 - [24] - Quote We should talk From: The Zerg Overmind Sent: 2012.12.03 23:31 To: Del DelVechio, Firstly, I apologize for being an ass about everything in public. But sensationalism sells well for publicity, and people expect me to be the bad guy. Right now I'm holding the "RvB - Red Federation" name for such publicity reasons. I also apologize for trapping you guys in a huge number of wars, but RvB has added a huge amount of credibility to our cause through mass numbers. RvB offers a very valuable service to Eve, and has drawn in many new players and exposed them to mass pvp content at the entry level. It's player organizations like yours that keeps players in the game, and I applaud you for it. RvB must survive. I will give you back the alliance name and you can reform. No cost, no frills, no gimicks. BUT, I want to wait and see what the GMs say to your petition to restore the name first. Half of everything we do is just to test the limits of what we can get away with in Eve, and this is one of those cases. I want to see if the GMs will uphold the sandbox and let us keep the name first. If they say they can't help you I'll return the name. If they revert the name to your control, same outcome (make sure if they restore the name that you get them to scramble our corp ticker as well - they didn't do that for RvB-P when they name changed them). That being said, I don't believe that CCP have fixed the wardec exploits. I believe I have methods to continue to hold everyone hostage for the indefinite future: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2244153#post2244153 they give cryptic hints that they did close the loophole, but this could just be a dev who's two weeks behind in current events: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2256757#post2256757 If the wardec loopholes are not closed then Red Federation will be unable to join an alliance regardless (but at least you'll have the name). We will see if they managed to fix wars the 3rd time around here. I just thought I should give you the heads up. And if Dec Shield is still in business post-expansion, you're of course welcome to any of our wars you desire :P o7 Dec Shield Burn Highsec Griefers
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 529	Posted - 2012.12.07 19:10:00 - [25] - Quote J'Poll wrote: But your name is ruined now... lol wat Burn Highsec Griefers
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 532	Posted - 2012.12.07 19:27:00 - [26] - Quote Guess there's only one thing left to do! Burn Highsec Griefers
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 532	Posted - 2012.12.07 22:18:00 - [27] - Quote GMs have set "RvB - RED Federation" free Burn Highsec Griefers

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